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                            I've often wondered what the difference was--if any--between a taiyouaki and a daiyoukai. Thanks to the wonderful Nobody, I learned that tai actually means fish and dai means big. SO this entire time I have insulting my Fluffy by calling him a fish youkai?    
**begs forgiveness from Sesshoumaru**
 
Just thought I'd share the info! And see if anyone else out there has something to add to the topic....  
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 10 Months ago
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                            lmao!!!!! So tai means fish--that's hilarious...poor Sesshy though!    
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 10 Months ago
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                            LC Rose wrote:
I've often wondered what the difference was--if any--between a taiyouaki and a daiyoukai. Thanks to the wonderful Nobody, I learned that tai actually means fish and dai means big. SO this entire time I have insulting my Fluffy by calling him a fish youkai?    
 
Eeep! Me too. **begs forgiveness with you**
 
I had always thought that "tai" and "dai" were the same thing, but just two different ways of transcribing a pictograph into a phonetic language. Just like "taoist" and "daoist", or "Peking" and "Beijing"
 
Shows what I know.    
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 10 Months ago
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                             I had wondered about that too! I had wondered why I had never seen the word Tayoukai, in the magna. I do however remember Totosai, calling Sesshoumaru a Daiyoukai.  
 
Fortunately, I have only rarely used the word taiyoukai in reference to Sesshoumaru. Once, twice at the most. But... hey wait! I think I just used it in the latest chapter of my story!!! *runs off to change it* 
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 10 Months ago
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                             it must have been a typo or something because the hiragana for Da is basicly ta with two dashes, i always wondered that too, i understood how daiyoukai but never Tai. 
                            
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                             It might be because of the title "Inu no Taishou"?  Perhaps someone decided that since that meant great dog general that a great youkai would be a taiyoukai instead of a daiyoukai. 
                            
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                             Jupe wrote: 
It might be because of the title "Inu no Taishou"?  Perhaps someone decided that since that meant great dog general that a great youkai would be a taiyoukai instead of a daiyoukai. 
 
You are probably more than correct, Jupe! Never thought of that origin.... 
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 10 Months ago
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                             tai seems pretty common. I use  Inuyoukai all the time and  I have clue what it means. Help please.    
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 10 Months ago
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                            I think that  Inuyoukai means dog-demon.  Youkai meaning demon or spirit, and  Inu meaning dog (like  Inuyasha). 
 
But if someone knows better than me, I encourage them to smack me over the head with a ruler and set the record straight.    
                            
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                             Inuyoukai means dog-spirit in Japanese. Translated into English for the purpose of the manga, show and western culture...  it comes out as demon. Its to differentiate it from a spirit/ ghost. 
 
As for tai/dai. I cant say for certain what it means without the Japanese Kanji. If someone can get me the Japanese kanji  of that them calling sesshoumaru that i can look it up. Hiragana for these wont matter too much. If you want Direct translation.. you MUST use Kanji. 
 
 
 
EDIT:  I did some searching since i needed to find the Japanese Characters. So I looked up  Shoguns and their titles and such. 
 
The Character for Tai/ Dai in Kanji is ? (the japanese character dont show up! T_T). It is interchangeable. They both mean Large/Great. Such as daimyo - Great Landlord.  So Taiyouki/Daiyouki would be Great Spirit/Demon. 
 
As for Inu no Taisho -  Great Dog General or Great General of Dog. Its a title.   
Inu - dog,  
no - is a Particle  to indicate possessive ( in the title it would mean "is or of" Depends on how you want to read it ),  
Tai - Great,  
Sho - General. 
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 10 Months ago
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                            To be honest I know very little about the history of  Japan.  Thank you both. Your explanations sure help a lot.    
                            
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                             your welcome. 
 
Also Dai/tai should never be used alone.. like alot of people have done in their stories. the whole  word should be used ... taiyouki/daiyouki. 
                            
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                             Wow. Thanks for the wealth of information here! Now I need to go and correct my fics.... 
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 9 Months ago
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                             I've heard from a friend on deviantart that has a Japanese penpal that it's supposed to be daiyoukai but most fanfic authors put taiyoukai(I'm one of those authoress's *nervous laughter*) so I guess it really doesn't matter I guess whatever floats your boat you know 
                            
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 9 Months ago
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                            demoniclove wrote:
 tai seems pretty common. I use Inuyoukai all the time and  I have clue what it means. Help please.  
It means "Dog Demon" n.n
 
(Sorry I double posted but I really had the urge to help this person with the definition since I read a  TON of fanfics so I started to pick up on alot of the Japanese vocabulary used)  
                            
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"I wish for a heart. A heart of the man whom I'll never allow to forget me." (to Kagome) - Kikyo
 
"Go Naraku, gather the shards of the jewel, and once you found them all , then I will send you to hell." - Kikyo
 
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                                                        Re:tai or dai?  16 Years, 9 Months ago
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                            I think this was posted in another thread but I can't find it, heh. 
freelance-manga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1249.0
According to the few fluent Japanese speakers I've mentioned it to, they all went with "Dai", but it sounds like it really depends on how you do the pronunciation.  
                            
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                             Wow.... Dokuga hates me... I've tried  to update this like 20000000x lol 
 
 After talking to my Japanese friend about the Tai/Dai Kanji character 
 
 The correct term pronouncation is Daiyoukai. 
 
 
 and It is still correct for Inutaishou to be pronounced with Tai. 
 
 
real examples -  
 
daimyo : Great Landlord 
 
Seii taishougun:great general who subdues the eastern barbarians. 
 
 
 I had more to say but after  rewriting this up 50000000000000x I give up lmao. 
                            
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                            Japanese name meaning for: Dai 
      Japanese: Great 
      Japanese: Big
 
In Chinese:  there are two sources of this surname, both from the Spring and Autumn period (722–481 bc). At one time, there existed a state of Dai at one time (in modern Henan province). When this was defeated by the state of Cheng, residents of the defeated state adopted Dai as their surname. Additionally, a duke of the state of Song was called Dai, and his descendants adopted Dai as their surname. 
Found info here:  baby-names.familyeducation.com/name-meaning/dai?detoured=1 
                            
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                             Wow. Thanks for all the wonderful responses to this! I love learning all of this information as it makes me a better writer. If I could, I'd give karma to you all in one swoop. 
                            
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